Angry in the Great White North

What a nice gift, and it's not even my birthday:

God I hate the left going out of its way to whine and moan and appear powerless and wimpy.

Two bloggers who need to be challenged, factually, consistently and relentlessly: Small Dead Animals and Angry in the Great White North. They've already gotten the attention of the mainstream media and they are doing real, material damage to public discourse when it comes to leftist issues.

If Babble can't deal with these two turd-blogs, then Babble is of no use whatsoever.

I have to be dealt with? Relentlessly?

And I'm doing "real, material damage" to leftist issues? With a blog?!

Imagine if I actually had some power, like a government position or a job at a newspaper.

Well, this call to action generates a steady stream of smirking responses. And then they turn on Hinterland, the babbler who started this thread:

[deBeauxOs] WTF do you want?? Are you organizing a posse. Come up with a concrete idea for an action, instead of whining and moaning and appearing vague and cranky

[voice of the damned] You know, I see stupid stuff on conservative websites all the time. But I don't come on here and say to my fellow babblers: "if you don't challenge what's on Andrew Sullivan's blog, you're useless!!"

Hinterland wants babblers to do more trolling:

I'm not back. And I'm angrier than when I left. We progressives are letting blogs like SDA and Angry run roughshod over the new media, and we can't let it go on.

WTF do you want?? Are you organizing a posse. Come up with a concrete idea for an action, instead of whining and moaning and appearing vague and cranky.

I don't want anything from you. If you can't help, fine. I mentionned [sic] two blogs here. You can challenge what's said there or not.

I'm running roughshod over the media, along with Kate?

Sheesh.

If the main stream media has shown any interest in what I write, it can only be because they find what I write interesting. Makes sense. Maybe my writing isn't all that bad either. But then I'm not a newspaper editor. Heck, I've never even taken a journalism course.

And as for riding roughshod over the new media, I'm not sure what that means. I don't troll. I rarely leave comments of any kind on other blogs or message boards, regardless of political leaning. If "riding roughshod" means being popular, then I suggest that Hinterland consider why conservative ideas resonate with so many Canadians. People like Jack Layton can go on and on about how they reflect Canadian values, but when the Conservatives earn over twice the popular vote as the NDP (36.3% vs 17.5%), well, shouldn't it have been the other way around?

I do agree with Hinterland that Babble is useless. But not because they haven't challenged the supremacy of small dead animals or Angry in the Great White North. That's nonsense on every level. Babble's problem is that it is an echo chamber. Not because most of the posts are from the left; that's to be expected. But because they don't tolerate true debate. Not only are comments from conservatives not tolerated, I've seen people from the left ruthlessly savaged, on a personal level, when they dared challenged an element of the socialist dogma.

That's Babble's problem and not mine. If my blog seems popular, maybe it's because I don't fault a person for having ideas, even if I think they're wrong-headed ideas. At least the person is thinking and participating. That's why I include blogrolls listing Canadian blogs from all points of the political spectrum.

When's the last time rabble.ca linked to a right-wing blog without calling it a "turd-blog" or something equivalent?

Hinterland can take aim at conservative blogs like mine, but he's missing the mark. He needs to aim at Canadians and convince them that his values are the right ones. If he can't, then maybe he needs to re-examine his ideas. Trying to make me and Kate out to be the Evil Overlords of the Canadian blogosphere is just silly.

After all, everyone knows that the Evil Overlord is Andrew Coyne.

Update:

From "rabble-rouser" Erik the Red, 19 hours and 46 comments after this thread was first started:

Seem em before. Neither site is particularly "left"wing. One guy has a rep for racist comments, others spends more time skewering cliches of what leftwingers are Supposed to be like. Both have links to far right blogs as well, and take adds [sic] from anywhere on the political spectrum. Where did they get rep that they're left exactly?

Angry in the Great White North and small dead animals are not left, we're right!

Get the feeling we're going to have to help these guys have a debate with us?