Steve Janke: Angry in the Great White North: Comments for "Cigarette advertising and Dalton McGuinty's priorities" http://stevejanke.com/archives/201092.php Comments for the entry "Cigarette advertising and Dalton McGuinty's priorities" en-us Movable Type v2.64 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:23:23 -05:00 Comment from Sheldon Kotyk "We are not Canadians and we are not subjected to Canadian laws," said spokesperson Hazel Hill. "We adhere to the Great Law and Canada had better just back off. They're trying to force their taxes on us. They have no say on what happens on Six Nations."

Does that mean they can't vote or collect EI or welfare payments?

]]> 201092@http://stevejanke.com/#c975788 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:23:23 -05:00 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:40:02 -05:00 Comment from shawn michael Just so you know, the sitn bull sign has been up there for a lot longer then the so called occupation. If the immigrants of canada want to live on our lands, know the history of how your ancestors managed to underhandedly manipulate the lands so that it is in their possession. Its called legal stealing in my words. Some 5 yrs ago, a brantford court informed the canadian government to produce the documents that indicated they were the proper owners of the lands that are in question along the haldimand tract, the government did not produce the documents, but had it appealed, at the conclusion of the appeal the judge too indicated that the government must produce the documents that said they were the rightful owners. The government has still not come forward with these documents, instead they diverted the court process by establishing another type of solution to the process. To me, when they heard of the judges judgement, it had them worried, did they not have the documents to indicate that they had rightful ownership of the grandriver lands? If they had the documents did it indicate that we were right all along, and they did not want to produce it for that matter. Or, had they had the documents and it did indicate they were the rightful owners of the said lands, they would have been more then willing to lay them out on the table for all to see and say, "there, we were right all along". But they didnt, and this is where i believe that they have to back track, if they lose, it will cost the government billions. Also, for those ignorant of the fact, we do work, and we do pay taxes, even though we arent happy about it, we do pay cpp, we do pay income tax, and we do pay into ei. So, why shouldnt we be able to collect when we lose our jobs, we paid into it, just like others. And remember this, you are living on indian lands. So, if you have a problem living here, maybe you should go back to your mother land. If you dont have a problem, good for you. IF you want to change then learn the history of the original peoples of this continent.
Also, look around, are we warring with one another? nope, but if you look around the world it is all of you who are warring. So get off your high horse about who is better then who.
Only reason those of you who dont like what we are doing to protect our future hate it that they werent here first.
So, learn the facts, there is always two sides of the story, and then there is the truth.
shawn michael

]]> 201092@http://stevejanke.com/#c976236 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:40:02 -05:00 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:40:55 -05:00 Comment from Gadget Well, it's completely unfortunate that almost every country on our entire planet at one time or another was invaded or conquered by a foreign group. It shouldn't be happening in this day and age, but what's in the past is in the past. Can you honestly see England making a case against Italy for the horrors of what happened during the days of the Roman Empire?

I hope that we settle these land claims quickly. If it was fairly sold then enough said. If it wasn't, then give it back. However, the aboriginal community has to realize that they are either part of Canada or they are not! Canada isn't going anywhere.

If they're not, then let's end any Government funding to them, terminate special programs in prisons, employment, and other areas, and get them all to hand in their passports, citizenship cards and provincial birth certificates. The we set up borders around their nation and place border agents along those areas.

If you are a sovereign nation, then go it alone on your own merits and stop riding Canada's coattails.

If not, then welcome home and let's all try to get along as EQUALS!

]]> 201092@http://stevejanke.com/#c976395 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:40:55 -05:00 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:46:16 -05:00 Comment from Biddy Wonder what the Indians/Natives, whatever, would like to do without ?
Maybe it's time they fend for themselves and stop the constant whining .

If they are not abide our laws they should be isolated in their own terroritories and rule themselves. We know how that would turn out.

If they want to have continued support they'll have to "allow us to use the land and get to work so we can continue to pay them as treaties demand and stop biting the hands that feed them. They're bloody well not living off the land and in tents.
They use all the comforts supplied by our ancesters who DEVELOPED this Country.

Dalton McUsless is not dealing with any serious, controversial issues like Caledonia. If he had any guts he'd haul the sorry asses off to the courts and Jail as other citizens of Canada would be.
But, no, McUsless would rather do some social engineering in the schools instead, teach morals.
He should be the last to mention morals when he broke every one of his electoral promises.

Is he worried? Nah, he's way up in the polls.
ONTARIO THE STUPID.

]]> 201092@http://stevejanke.com/#c976583 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:46:16 -05:00 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:15:43 -05:00 Comment from Victor Either by accident or design, we have a series of events through which a complex process enables a tiny sperm swimming upstream in a competitive race to invade and penetrate an egg's membrane. Upon arrival, one of these wiggly fellas will enter virgin territory and just slam the door shut while claiming territorial rights all to themselves. Why, you ask? Because "they got there first".

Some rancorous spermatozoas seem to have never developed beyond their distant past.

]]> 201092@http://stevejanke.com/#c976606 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:15:43 -05:00 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:37:10 -05:00 Comment from neo That Dalton McGuinty sure is a stickler for law and order, huh?

If only they didn't offer this final insult to our intelligence...

"We hope the federal government takes its responsibility seriously and is very proactive in making sure the law is upheld."

]]> 201092@http://stevejanke.com/#c976618 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:37:10 -05:00 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:58:38 -05:00 Comment from MaryM Speaking of law and order; Make sure you don't speak against the governments or you or someone might be punished in your family. One of the residents of Braemar Ave and the brother of
Anne Marie Vansickle (one of the speakers at the Caledonia rally), Steve
Reilly was arrested last night by OPP and Immigration officers...

Steve was informed that his currently validated Visa good until February,
2008 was being immediately revoked for undisclosed reasons and that he had
7 days to get out of the country, they then seized his passport (which is
the only proof he has of the valid Visa) and released him....

]]> 201092@http://stevejanke.com/#c976680 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:58:38 -05:00 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:11:49 -05:00 Comment from Shaken I continue my personal boycott of all aboriginal businesses until the Caledonia occupation ends and due process resumed.

]]> 201092@http://stevejanke.com/#c976890 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:11:49 -05:00 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:56:57 -05:00 Comment from Skip Sorry Shawn, but the Six Nations refugees weren't here first. And actually neither were you, unless you are a somewhat older than I am. I'm a native North American too. EVERYBODY'S ancestors in North America came from somewhere else. Get over yourselves and start pulling your weight, like everybody else.

]]> 201092@http://stevejanke.com/#c977320 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:56:57 -05:00 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:02:52 -05:00 Comment from Skip And Steve, maybe this should be your next expose...

]]> 201092@http://stevejanke.com/#c977323 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:02:52 -05:00 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:58:58 -05:00 Comment from Amazed I'm not sure how I ended up in here, but I am absolutely amazed at:

the anger
the ignorance
the immaturity
the feeling that you must impose your immature morals and values upon others
the apparent perfection of "rule of law" until you disagree with its application
the view that one community's non-violent protest against the state is illegal and immoral, but another community's protest is somehow legal and morally superior

I will likely return to this site for a glimpse of the dark side of humanity. It's like picking a scab. Facinating in a wierd way...

]]> 201092@http://stevejanke.com/#c977481 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:58:58 -05:00 Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:01:58 -05:00 Comment from Amazed ...Now go ahead and tell me:

how stupid I am
how mad you are
yada, yada...

]]> 201092@http://stevejanke.com/#c977484 Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:01:58 -05:00 Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:06:50 -05:00 Comment from Amazed There...now that you have calmed down a bit, it's time to tell me:

how wrong I am
how right you are
how I should think like you
yada, yada,...

]]> 201092@http://stevejanke.com/#c977486 Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:06:50 -05:00 Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:10:35 -05:00 Comment from shirtgirl I can buy this "we are not citizens or subject to Canadian law." However the natives must understand that by not being Canadian they give up rights to any program benefits, payments, currancy, pensions, health plans, which come from the country and provinces of Canada. They would be required to stay within the boundaries of the reservations (their lands) although I am sure they would say all land is theirs. To leave this reservation (Indian Country) they would be subject to scrutiny the same as any non citizen wishing to enter into Canada. To work in Canada work permits and visas would be required. They could not use a Canadian passport to travel. It certainly, would free up many millions to pay down the Canadian debt if we no longer had an Indian Affairs department in our government. That's my fifty cents.

]]> 201092@http://stevejanke.com/#c977487 Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:10:35 -05:00 Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:53:49 -05:00 Comment from Skip Amazed...Wot a pile of crap.

]]> 201092@http://stevejanke.com/#c978387 Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:53:49 -05:00 Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:01:14 -05:00 Comment from yes u are a pile of crap amazed

]]> 201092@http://stevejanke.com/#c978524 Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:01:14 -05:00 Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:26:40 -05:00 Comment from The Phantom As the intemperate poster Shawn Michael noted, that Sit 'N Bull sign has been there for years. Which of course means that the various levels of government have been quietly ignoring it for years because tobacco advertising has been illegal in Canada for quite a while.

What we have here is one Liberal sacred cow goring another. Will Indian identity politics trump public health nannyism, or will the anti-smoking Nazis prevail over free speech by a visible minority?

Tune in next week for more of "As The Liberal Turd Whirls!"

]]> 201092@http://stevejanke.com/#c978574 Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:26:40 -05:00 Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:25:34 -05:00 Comment from saga Shirtgirl,
What Six Nations is seeking is recognition of their treaties with Canada/Britain. This includes full sovereignty, as you have outlined. However, Canada owes Six Nations a GREAT deal of money in payment for lands encroached upon, now towns and cities in the Haldimand Tract, as well as unpaid land leases and recource fees. Thus, it is possible that some of the money owed may be paid 'in kind' because it is cheaper for the taxpayer, for example, to pay for their health care than to pay them the money outright.

These are the things that will be worked out in negotiations. I assume you support the government's judgement in that?

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